Shocking substitution by Wenger hands Arsenal 3rd straight loss
Arsenal’s typical spineless defence and toothless attack showed up on Sunday, but for some tactical madness from their manager, the Gunners could have actually gone more than close to upsetting the odds today.
Instead, they suffered a third straight defeat in the Premier League and saw former title rivals Manchester United do the league ‘double’ over them yet again, as the north London side lost more ground in their race for a top four spot.
United could have been mistaken to be the home side for much of a first-half of midfield domination which forced a late goal from Valencia to hand Ferguson’s men the lead.
Arsenal came out desperate after the break and after 71 minutes, Oxlade-Chamberlain – who had been at the heart of the Gunners’ response – set up Van Persie to pull the hosts level.
What then followed baffled the entire Emirates stadium and even goalscorer Van Persie who shrugged his shoulders in confusion.
Oxlade-Chamberlain, who had been arguably the best performer of either team on the night, was withdrawn for Andrey Arshavin – prime culprit of disappointment at Swansea last week – as Arsenal’s momentum was halted.
That brought a rare negative treatment from the Arsenal faithful towards Wenger as fans echoed Arshavin’s introduction with boos while Oxlade-Chamberlain was cheered off the pitch.
And then as ever, Arshavin’s lack of dedication proved costly as the Russian allowed Valencia to beat him with ease before setting up a well-fired strike from Welbeck.
That would be that for the day and Arsenal’s title hopes if there was any.
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Arsene is a f*** up. He is getting older n less clever.” In Arsene we Rust”
while everyone else has adapted to the new rigours of the premier league wenger is stuck in 2005. We have no plan B- Wenger actually tells the players to play the same way regardless of the opponent.
wenger is no longer satisfy the team.
This is the first time I’ve called for wenger too go, he regularly makes stupid substitutions.
I also made same remarks today before watching the second half. Wenger should go before we call down evil upon him and his entire family. I need someone like Frank Rijkaard in arsenal.
How about Pep? I can imagine the interview now. Arsenal – Forget Messi and 60% of the Spanish team, how about working with Djourou and Arshavin. If you want it, the job is yours. Pep – No… Arsenal – Really??? Pep – AFC Wimbledon are more inciting, frankly. BTW, can I take RVP……… RVP – Yes please!
I meant enticing. Stupid spell checker. Sorry. I mean stupid brain ;o)
I lost all faith in Wenger now or he is doing this to see Arsenal not to make CL or he lost his maind please sell Arshavin he is not good .
Arshavin has to go. There is no good thing in keeping him any longer.
wenger is the Man u’s parpet.He is not there for team success but for his own good,I sometime think may be he si bribed.He is always make the team lost.
The defensive frailties cost us this game and not the substitution. Knee jerks seems fitting
Do u really watch d match or u are told abt d outcome.
I know exactly what you mean … just like the one highlighted by the substitute Arsahvin.
These knee jerk defenses of Wenger are becoming tiresome:
1) Replacing AOC with Arshravin added to the defensive woes. It’s a team game, you take off the player who is providing your forward momentum and replace him with a player who couldn’t defend in a league of 6 year olds you are asking for it.
2) Results don’t lie, and the results have been poor for 5 seasons now. Wenger has massive resourses to work with and he isn’t getting the job done. Look at where Arsenal finished in the table for the last 5 years and you tell me Wenger is moving the team forward with a straight face.
This year we will likely miss out on the Champions League and van Persie will leave…then what? There is nothing knee jerk about Arsenal supporters who want to club to move forward again and can clearly see that is not….Results over 5 years don’t lie…
I don’t agree. We were in the ascendency at the point of the substitution and the Ox was creating the chances. He is replaced by Arshavin who was at the first man defending when they scored. I’m sure, no positive, that the Ox wouldn’t have been beaten so easily.
Maybe now,we might want 2 buy,esp a defender(CB)
I bet Arsene will make the possible transfer decision after this game as promised:
NOTHING, that is.
or
Why do I need to buy in the “SUPERMARKET”? The return of Sagna and Wilshiere means new player transfers.
Wenger has become a parody of himself. You knew he’d take off AOC and bring on Arshavin with 20 mins to go. He decided before the match. I suspect nearly all his substitutions are decided before the match. This is simply the worst example of it he’s ever made. They are nothing to do with the flow of the match.
Tactics is not Arsene’s forte.
There is no Plan B in his book, let alone making counter moves to oppositions.
Arshavin wont b sold.He is stil an efficient player 4 us since loosing 4 us is eficiency.wish chamak was in to help us lose 4/1. our ambition is to avoid relegation n we wil make it…ha ha…
Wenger is a knob, get rid off wenger and get rid of arshavin, he is shit, worst team ever and will stay this way as long he is in charge!
You should back Arsenal and Wenger yes the ox prob should not of come off but we were unlucky and this is just another ….. I hate Wenger comment from u grow up and believe in Arsenal u fucking spurs fan in disguise !!!
Fucking cheap shot from a blinkered fan. Wake up and smell the roses… We have lost a 3rd of our games this season. We have let VP get into the last year of his contract and he isn’t the first. Our club is being killed by mismanagement. Our kids and chaff are paid too much, so can’t be offloaded and our stars are paid too little so will get poached. You think you are a true fan, but in reality you are as bad as the bankers that screwed up the economy. Turn a blind eye to the issues and everything will be ok.
tool
Even RVP showed his disapproval (by yelling to Arsene) at the ridiculous “momemtum-killing” sub.
why oxalade for ashavin and not somebody else.
Cuz the Ox is the newbie with no say.
Who then proceeded to do sweet fa to stop Valencia getting into a dangerous position for the second goal. Wenger’s scientific approach to the game is at times a huge hindrance. Today was one of those occasions. Ox is 18 having a great game and looking perfectly fit to continue. What was the point in taking him off just because that’s what Wenger had planned to do at 70 minutes before the game began because some fitness bleep test told him to. Sometimes he’s an idiot, sometimes he’s not. What can you do?
Totally agree. He will most likely drop Ox for the next game anyway. What’s wrong with taking a chance on a player who has made just one start and outshone all of his peers in it. Wenger perplexes me sometimes. This season more than most.
Pls, kindly tell wenger to resign if he will keep on disappointing the fans with useless and technical error. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.
I think today made my mind up, Wenger has lost it. I’ve not seen a worse decision in management to deflate a team in the ascendancy. What was he thinking?
On a plus, Yennaris held his own, play him there until Sagna returns.
Wenger is da reason 4 trophy drought in arsenal.he is bull sh!t
Wenger hasnĀ“t got a clue, taking off the best Arsenalplayer and bringing on that Russian piece of shit!
If he doesnĀ“t care, why should I care….
IĀ“m so f-g fed up with those two idiots!
Wenger must have wanted United to win or lost his mind big time. There is no other logical explaination for that pathetic sub. In the second half Arsenal have had a good chance to win the game but Wenger f**ked it up.
In Arsene we trust…my a**!!!!!!!!!!!!
i am sick to fuckin death of arshavin.why replace someone totaly committed for a lazy bastard.we need someone else who can also score,far to much reliance one van persie. fuuuuuuuuuk saaaaaaake.
what the hell was wenger thinking … the momentum was with arsenal at that point of the match and two or three more attacks and the deadlock cud have been broken … fuck u wenger … u r a worthless cunt feeding on money and not on the pride of the supporters … we have been beaten twice this season by UTD and now are in serious doubt of fourth spot……………… > < IN WENGER WE RUST
Wenger is an idiot….he just thought oxlade is young and should be substituted regardless of his performance..wendger is the past already
good tactical from wenger. arshavin in to help man utd 2nd goal. outstanding from arshavin 10 out of 10 rating for arshavin…….wenger will be manager of the month……big hand for wenger and arshavin. what the hell? maybe chamberlain not good enough compare to arshavin……hahhahahahahahhaha…………i think arshavin just warm up and joging during the game……
I am saying second time in the week that wenger has to go in a
Sure the substitution was dumb, idiotic in retrospect. But hardly a sacking offense. This team belongs in 7th without fullbacks. Without Arteta and Wilshere, 8th. Simples. AW has got them into 5th and somehow managing to keep them there.
Spend some fuckin’ money – now that’s where he and the board (who are together on this, they must be) are at fault for a team that can only really compete for fourth and no higher.
I am getting tired of saying this, but hopefully word might reach Wenger n the board. The time is right to sell 6 players and bring in 4 class players and Arsenal will once again be a force to reckon with.
Should Arsene need help in which players to get rid off and who to buy contact – The BearMan! Doing nothing is not an option or we will see more of this before the season is through!
wenger must quit the job he never changes his tactics next time aston villa will beat arsenal again
Arsene’s attempt to showcase Arshavin (to Lazio or the only interested taker Zenit) only accelerates the depreciation of Arshavin’s value in the transfer market.
Agent Arsene your work is nearly done
got ourselves in pole position to win the game in the 2nd half and when we are on top Mr Wenger (we have faith) took our most influential player off and the inevitable happened. points lost by the Professor the WIHINGER!
Pay Ā£12m and the Ox is not ready. Pay Ā£8m for a german centre back with 75 caps who is meant to be ready ……….yet is crap. Do not understand the French mans logic. 1 point from 12 against Wolves, Fulham, Swansea and Mancs and the frog thinks we can get CL place……..i must go back to watching Walt Disney films before bedtime!
Well what a clever man you are wenger take off our best player and put on a man with a sofa down his shorts who has under performed all season we would of won the as we were flying with oxo now we won’t even make the u ain’t fuckin good enough cup
arshavin is not a winger but wengar still doesnt get that arshavin sould have come on for ramsey who is useless and add creativety in the middle of the pitch. wengar sucks hes lost it im loosing my passion for the team from game to game. were is the exitment the thrill of unpridictable players like we used to have were so plane and boring now its dipressing
Tactics is not Arsene’s forte.
Just don’t expect any Plan B as he sticks to the same plan regardless of opponents’ moves.
hail……..both koscielny and mertesacker for the performance. mertesacker save ball from wellbeck……good partnering…..also to vermalaen……but we need to do something with djourou….arshavin……both hero today assist goal for man utd. for man utd fans say thank you to djourou, arshavin and wenger.
I love Vermalaen, great player; but he should have done better with the first goal. Then again, he’s not a left back. 17 days of the transfer window gone and we could get a loanee to fill the gap. If he’s shit, let him go back to his club… If he’s good, offer a contract at the end of a season. It’s a no brainer and cheaper than losing out on the CL spot.
Hope we’ve seen the last of arshavin and djourou. These two make squillaci look good. Great game from the Ox. At least he plays like still cares.
Wenger disrespcted fans and players as well
Now he espress him self clearly ,that subtitute is a cheat or macth fixing,he did not care about the fans, but he is thinking of what he will get,you better do away with him now.
wenger won the game for man u…what a dickhead
I am still in shock after mr wenger’s baffling substitution!
fool wenger!!!! stupid substitution over Oxlade Chamberlain ………
Problem of arsenal not team is coach wenger is too old to control mentalical
is high time dis a**hole lives dis club.wenger and ashavin out.wenger reasons tru his god dame asss.am becoming 2 be sick and tired of dis club.i better watch catoon dan to see arsenal.foolish coach
pathetic, every year wenger make the same mistakes, and now this…..
Truly dreadful substitution. It shows that wenger has lost all tactical edge he ever had. His stubbornness won’t allow him to change his system even though it’s fundamentally flawed. I honestly don’t want Arshavin anywhere near an Arsenal shirt ever again. He’s lazy, sloppy and the fastest declining player in the league. I’d have the OX all day long and his along with Kos performance were the most encouraging things about the game. The winds of change need to come to Arsenal from boardroom to management, the club is no longer competitive and our rivals are laughing at us. In Arsene we rust!
wenger is a pussyhead.
Stop talking about Arshavin who played 4 20 mins & talk about Walcott who played the 95 mins. Walcott is never better than Arshavin in any way.He’s been played out of position. England will never make it in tru the grp stages of the Euros with Walcott in their squad. Arsene Wenger has lost it all. Spurs have played better than Arsenal & deserve CL SPOT AHEAD OF ARSENAL. U CANT BE A GLOBAL SUPER POWER WITH SUCH BLIND & CRAP SQUAD LIKE DJOUROU, SQUILACI,WALCOTT, RAMSEY,CHAMACK
who on earth with an eye could change AOC in this game…wenger changes players not based on their quality on the pitch ,he decide it pre match who to be changed& also the time.it is shame wenger u provide all the 3 points to fergie…fergie should be thankful.
u r not smart wenger.
guys… you said it all. now it,s time to get wenger out of arsenal so as to retain our dignity Every team is laughing at as… all because of this french dictator!!!!!!!
I don’t think fergie would have made the same substitution just goes to show different mentality of the managers wenger is too cautious
what the fuc= is the prof thinking of at this rate we have 2 keep arshavin as no other fuc=== will want 2 play 4 us
Time for him to go
There will be many who keep hoping for wenger’s miracle and live in past glories. Those who kept saying/believing “In Arsene We Trust” since the beginning of the season out to stop being hypocrites, wake up from your coma or leave, honestly. It has been clear from last few seasons that the club will not improve basically from the fact that useless players like almunia, denilson, diaby are retained and useless cheapsale players like squillaci are bought.
The moment Arshavin came on, the game was lost. He will not leave, why? Because wenger say so. Chamakh doesnt want to leave either. So a coach/manager who’s has the full backing of Arsenal FC continues to decides making stupid decisions because he makes profits for the club.
Pls sell arshavin,diaby,vela,ramsy ,squlachi,chamack,&buy experianced &Ƨreative player.or go away.
Final. No plus No minus.
If I was the Ox I’d be having such a go at Wenger in the changing rooms after the game. The only reason he took him off was because he’d planned to bring Park and Arshavin on, but then when the goal came, he didn’t want to look like he was going back on his decision because of his ego and not wanting to look like he was about to change his mind about something, therefore showing he felt it would’ve been the wrong decision, and as we all know, Wenger can never admit it when he’s wrong. As Robin I would simply have told Alex to stay and told Andrey to fuck right off, of course the substitution would still have taken place but at least it would show a message to the fans and to Wenger how ridiculous the decision was, how much quality the Ox has, and how terribly fucking shit Arshavin is. I cannot recall booing being made at an Arsenal player coming onto the pitch by Arsenal fans, and that shows how much change needs to be made.
I hav said it before nd i am saying it again, the death of wenger is beggening of arsenal’s success.
True talk my brother, but we don’t want him dead, he will be good as a ball-boy at the emirates, you know that even the grave will reject his dead body because he is stingy even to himself and so there are no vitamins and moisture in his “stockfish” body.
Is this the first time the vast majority is thinking it’s time for Wenger to move upstairs or go. The last player I would think of bringing on in that situation would be Arshavin. In fact it would not have crossed my mind to change the team at the time. If I was Wenger I would forget about using Djourou, Arshavin, Squillachi and use Yernnaris, Chamberlain and get Miguel on loan asap because we could have a Toure on our hands or another Senderos if he loses confidence. We need more high standard signings. Saying all this Wilshere could come back and save our season. I do think that substitution may have sealed RVP fate at the club.
Hail Wenger! In arsene we trust! Thank you for another miserable week for me! Oh how i love arsenal and hate Wenger for being stubborn, unresonable and ignorance..damn i miss the old Wenger…
Feel sorry for Arshavin! Why is he blamed when he is defending the man that Vermaelen should be covering! He tracked him into the area and it wasn’t Valencia who scored, it was Wellbeck who had 3/4 defenders near him!
In the first half, the Ox let his runner go completely an nearly cost us a goal! Would he have done better had he still been on? We know that Arshavin is a spent force going forward, but I’ll back any player in an Arsenal shirt and we all should until we get Jack and our fullbacks fit!
Paul…………. have you got French blood in you. We all support Arsenal but you have to admit Wenger has lost us the points today as he did against Fulham with ridiculous unnecessary substitutions. Don’t mend what was not broken we had them on the back foot before that substitution. Players and fans alike were confused and surprised with yet more mad decisions. Perhaps Wenger should have been transferred to SEA FRANCE!!!!!!!!!! He has lost what he had and what it takes in the tactical quality department and my Arsenal are now getting laughed at by all other club supporters as opposed to being respected
The loss to UTD could be a blessing in disguise because the world’s best coach, and the wisest man the world over (wenger) said that the game against utd determines if new players comes in or not. May be after the loss, wenger will break bank to sign all his family members in France, and arsenal will become more solid and more prepared for RELEGATION.
Two sins in one: Weakening your team and turning the crowd against you…
Almost feel sorry for Arshavin, and if he had come on for Walcott instead at least it had made some sense. But this was the most terrible and ridiculous substitution I have ever seen.
Quote Wenger: “In last 15 to 20 minutes we had players who have given everything, players like Oxlade-Chamberlain and he was playing on the left and it didn’t work out.”
“IT DIDN’T WORK OUT!!!!????” Seriously??? What game were you watching, Mr. Wenger?
Get real or get lost!
whatever is happening right now, its all the worst…n its all because of insane wenger.,.axe should fall on wenger…no commitment from wenger or greedy board of directors who just keep on talking of profit they are making and even to the extent of saying they are prepared to accept absence from champions league next season n when local rivals are lying top of us in the league and are even shelling money in the market..what can be worse than this:-(:-(:-(
I think that if you were to take off Chamberlain then it had to be for Benayoun, Personally I wouldn’t have took him off anyways! Strange decision either way!! I don’t think this result isn’t going to make Wenger buy anyone as TV5 is back and will play left back till Gibbs returns in about 2 weeks or so followed by Sagna and Wilshere soon…. Wenger makes being a Arsenal fan stressful but still a Gooner 100%
3 things I have concluded and I believe strongly in my heart that one or a combination or all are true.
1. Wenger is a Secret Gambler (He should be investigated)
2. Wenger is Insane (He should be made to undergo a series of mental test)
3. Either Wenger or Wenger and the board are involved in Match Fixing (They should be investigated)
Enough said!
@Ryan…..Because people are tired of seeing overpaid ponces disgracing the name of
Arsenal Football Club, that makes them Spurts fans? While Wenger maintains this is the strongest squad he’s ever had and talks of mental strength and brilliance of skills on the
training ground, we are seeing the steady and sure decline of our great club.
And you talk of getting behind the players?
You mean like Arshavin? Who clearly gave up when Russia went out of the World Cup
qualifiers in 2010 and has been sulking ever since.
Or Rosicknote, our international class attacking midfielder, who’s scored four goals maybe in his last 60 or more games for us?…
Or could it be Walcott, who can run like Carl Lewis and has the finishing of Leona Lewis?
Maybe it’s Dynamic Diaby who gets paid to do what exactly?
Then there’s Ramsey, Captain of Wales who can’t hold, pass, tackle or shoot in a straight line.
Perhaps it’s World Cup Walcott who can’t hit a bull’s arse with a banjo?
See, there used to be a time when our starting line up would strike fear into the hearts
of all the top European sides. Now we get turned over by Swansea. And who is the
person responsible for the debacle. Our very own strategic genius Mr. Magoo!!
Almuniarse, Flapianski, Mannonewho? Senderos, Silvestre, Squillaci, Santos, Mertesacker, Gibbs, Djourou, Denilson, Diaby, Ramsey, Rosicknote, Arshavin, Chamakh, Bendtner……Legends one and all!! Do me a favour. I can see players
with more heart and passion on a Sunday morning at Hackney Marshes……
and they ain’t getting paid 60 grand a week!!
The reason we’re in the situation, that many of us have seen coming for the last six
seasons, is because Wenger has held on to the deluded belief that the above players
and a few more I couldn’t be asked to name, are international class.
We used to have a team of Warriors now we’ve got has beens, never will be’s and
wimps……
And you want to get behind these Arsenal imposters?
I’ll support Arsenal till I die but i won’t be happy watching wasters like this lot destroy
the team while sending us into mid table misery. So if I complain about it, it’s because
I am passionate about my Arsenal Football Club not because I’m a Spurt’s Fan….
The board are a bunch of pirates, Wenger is past his sell by date and the players
are not good enough to wear the shirt.
De best tin we arsenal faithful fans need 2do ČĢĢĢ Ā§ 2 pray make Hill wood die ČĢĢĢ Ā§ already old so wenger wil go david dein wil come back nd our blove club wil back on track.wenger āŃĪ»āĒĢ©Ģ©Ģ©Ģ„ notin 2 hover ars again but disaster,agony can he tel us wat arsenal do 2 him 2disaver al dis he can’t destroy arsenal its wenger dat wil be destroy nd damage senseless man
wenger has to leave ffs.. the man is finished
Arsenal board is nothing but “greedy merchants” they care less about results and trophies. So long as the bucks are flowing in freely.cheak-out, they buy a player 500,000 cedis and sell him 30 million pounds, so they don’t care how the fans feel about anything. Stingy coach, greedy board members. bird’s of same feather flock. Who will save us out of their iron hand??????????
Btw, aren’t we, or can i say majority of Arsenal fans urged Wenger and the club to sign up Arshavin back then in 2009 ..we should take a part of the blame now because he turned to be a flop after 3 seasons : ) i admit that im wrong in believing arshavin could be our savior..
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The Skysports one is best about Chamberlain feeling his calf but he ran off not feeling his calf or hobbling off. Surely you bring on Benayoun before you bring on Arshavin. I agree with the last comment about us taking some of the blame with Arshavin. We need money spent on the team and some of our young players such as Miguel going out on loan to another Premier League team and Djourou, Squillachi and Diaby. We need another Midfielder, Striker/Winger (Podolski/ Dempsey) and a out and out striker. In summer we need an experience Goalkeeper such as Schwazer as competition and back up for Scezezny. A decision has to be made about Gibbs in the summer. Another Centre back is up there but not a priority, there is much more to do in the transfer market.
If the Ox is sick with stomach flu,is Arsahvin terminal ?????
Sheza Sagna kos verm Gibbs oxo wilshire song Rambo arteta van persie.if we had this team fit we win today
Wenger, GTFO.